The effect the setting has on the character’s thought is the society in which she lives in is divided up to think a certain way. There are five fractions that divide up society and each have a different characteristic it values. The faction that the main character, Beatrice, lives in values the characteristic of selflessness. She is raised to be selfless at all times. Any selfish acts such as talking about oneself, not helping someone, or even looking into a mirror are not condoned. Everything that Beatrice does is supposed to follow the way of life they were taught. This affects her choice when it comes to deciding what fraction to transfer to or if she wants to stay in the fraction she was raised in. I believe I could not deal with the way of life if I was to live in the character’s society. I don’t think I could conform to living and thinking based on one characteristic. I would have a problem and probably become one of the Factionless (a person who doesn’t belong to a fraction) because I would have more than one certain value to live by.
Jacob Dehesa Mrs. Parks 5th The main character Beatrice is affected by where she lives and how the people around act. Such as she doesn’t interrupt her parents and she always tries to help people when she can. Where she lives the people value selflessness and so she always acts without selfishness or indulgence. This is why she is having trouble as she gets closer to the choosing day. As she is getting closer to the choosing she realizes how she doesn’t always think selflessly and sometimes her curiosity gets the better of her. This is why she thinks about choosing a different faction but because of her faction’s value of selflessness she doubts her decision. But then her brother asks about if it’s okay to pick a different faction, so she starts to wonder if a little selfishness is okay and ultimately chooses Dauntless. I would have a tough time living in her faction because although I like to help people I also don’t want to give up everything I have for someone I don’t know.
I like how you describe their way of acting in Beatrice’s fraction. You are right about how it would be hard to adapt to a life where you may have to give up everything to help someone else out, maybe even a person who you may have never met before.
Hey Jake, do you think that in the Abnegation were right to always be as selfless as possible? What fraction would you have picked if you lived in that society and had to choose a fraction? Do you believe you could conform to that fraction’s way of life and make it past initiation?
Beatrice, or Tris as she later renames herself, has very few bad characteristics. She was raised to always be selfless but a characteristic she has that is a result of being divergent is she is strong and courageous. These are normally good characteristics to have except that showing these characteristics all the time is a bad idea because Peter views it as a challenge. He is known for attacking other initiates that are competition to him. Peter came after Tris one night and almost killed her, but luckily Tobias was around to help after hearing her screams. A good idea that Tris should do is act weak and afraid sometimes in front of Peter so this way he doesn't view her as a threat and try to attack her.
Jacob D. Mrs. Parks Eric the current leader of Dauntless at the time is acting recklessly and is trying to get the other students to kill each other. I disagree with how he is acting because it puts the initiates in danger. I think he is acting this way because he wants the member of Dauntless to be the best and always be reckless and ready for danger; however, in return this makes the initiates not like him and begin to question whether they made the right choice. This is also bad because the initiates don’t like Eric and they shouldn't question their leader. I would suggest that he should still train the initiates but in a less dangerous way because they should still be trained but they shouldn't have to have a killer instinct because that’s not right.
I disagree with the fact that Eric wants the initiates to kill each other. Nowhere during the training does he have them try to kill one another. He does have them train in rough ways but that is to make them as tough as possible. It is too bad sometimes though; in that way I do agree with you. He does need to lighten up a little so the initiates like and listen to him without question.
Hey Jake, what evidence can you provide me with that proves that Eric wants the initiates to kill each other during their initiation? If you were to train the initiates of any fraction, what fraction initiates would you choose to train, and how would you train them? How would want your initiates to feel about you as their superior?
I believe that the most important conflict in the book is the conflict that Jeanine Mathews wants to keep the knowledge the Abnegation know about the city a secret. The Abnegation were entrusted with a secret when the city was founded. The secret was to be revealed during a certain time in their history. Jeanine did not think it was time and did everything in her to stop this information to be released. She put the most aggressive fraction under her mind control serum. She used her army of brain dead followers to kill off almost the entire Abnegation fraction to keep the knowledge about the city a secret. I do not believe killing of most of a fraction to keep a secret is worth it. It was horrible to se all of Tris’ old friends and their families killed because of knowledge.
An okay book. Don't get me wrong, I loved the characters, and it was a good story, with lots of inspiring morals and such. It encourages us to break away from society's norms, to break stereotypes and find our true selves, but it fell a little short for me. It wasn't particularly memorable, and was by all means incredibly predictable. It's a good read, but I have a long list of books I would point someone to before I pointed them to Divergent.
The theme of Divergent is people are more than just one characteristic. We are all different with many traits that define us. We can be kind, caring, loving, and like Tris in Divergent, brave. “I think of climbing the stairs with the Abnegation, our feet finding the same rhythm, all of us the same. This isn't like that. We are not the same.” (Roth 223) This is when Tris is thinking about how the people in the city aren’t the same, that they are all different from one another. "I feel like someone breathed new air into my lungs. I am not Abnegation. I am not Dauntless. I am Divergent." (Roth 442) This is another quote when Tris is thinking to herself about she isn’t just one type of person. She has many traits that make her who she is; she doesn’t just belong to just one fraction. This book is important to me because the story tells me to be myself, to not conform to just one part of society. It shows to break from the normal and be who I am.
Zach O.
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The effect the setting has on the character’s thought is the society in which she lives in is divided up to think a certain way. There are five fractions that divide up society and each have a different characteristic it values. The faction that the main character, Beatrice, lives in values the characteristic of selflessness. She is raised to be selfless at all times. Any selfish acts such as talking about oneself, not helping someone, or even looking into a mirror are not condoned. Everything that Beatrice does is supposed to follow the way of life they were taught. This affects her choice when it comes to deciding what fraction to transfer to or if she wants to stay in the fraction she was raised in. I believe I could not deal with the way of life if I was to live in the character’s society. I don’t think I could conform to living and thinking based on one characteristic. I would have a problem and probably become one of the Factionless (a person who doesn’t belong to a fraction) because I would have more than one certain value to live by.
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The main character Beatrice is affected by where she lives and how the people around act. Such as she doesn’t interrupt her parents and she always tries to help people when she can. Where she lives the people value selflessness and so she always acts without selfishness or indulgence. This is why she is having trouble as she gets closer to the choosing day. As she is getting closer to the choosing she realizes how she doesn’t always think selflessly and sometimes her curiosity gets the better of her. This is why she thinks about choosing a different faction but because of her faction’s value of selflessness she doubts her decision. But then her brother asks about if it’s okay to pick a different faction, so she starts to wonder if a little selfishness is okay and ultimately chooses Dauntless. I would have a tough time living in her faction because although I like to help people I also don’t want to give up everything I have for someone I don’t know.
Zach O.
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I like how you describe their way of acting in Beatrice’s fraction. You are right about how it would be hard to adapt to a life where you may have to give up everything to help someone else out, maybe even a person who you may have never met before.
Zach O.
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Hey Jake, do you think that in the Abnegation were right to always be as selfless as possible? What fraction would you have picked if you lived in that society and had to choose a fraction? Do you believe you could conform to that fraction’s way of life and make it past initiation?
Zach O.
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Beatrice, or Tris as she later renames herself, has very few bad characteristics. She was raised to always be selfless but a characteristic she has that is a result of being divergent is she is strong and courageous. These are normally good characteristics to have except that showing these characteristics all the time is a bad idea because Peter views it as a challenge. He is known for attacking other initiates that are competition to him. Peter came after Tris one night and almost killed her, but luckily Tobias was around to help after hearing her screams. A good idea that Tris should do is act weak and afraid sometimes in front of Peter so this way he doesn't view her as a threat and try to attack her.
Jacob D.
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Eric the current leader of Dauntless at the time is acting recklessly and is trying to get the other students to kill each other. I disagree with how he is acting because it puts the initiates in danger. I think he is acting this way because he wants the member of Dauntless to be the best and always be reckless and ready for danger; however, in return this makes the initiates not like him and begin to question whether they made the right choice. This is also bad because the initiates don’t like Eric and they shouldn't question their leader. I would suggest that he should still train the initiates but in a less dangerous way because they should still be trained but they shouldn't have to have a killer instinct because that’s not right.
Zach O.
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I disagree with the fact that Eric wants the initiates to kill each other. Nowhere during the training does he have them try to kill one another. He does have them train in rough ways but that is to make them as tough as possible. It is too bad sometimes though; in that way I do agree with you. He does need to lighten up a little so the initiates like and listen to him without question.
Zach O.
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Hey Jake, what evidence can you provide me with that proves that Eric wants the initiates to kill each other during their initiation? If you were to train the initiates of any fraction, what fraction initiates would you choose to train, and how would you train them? How would want your initiates to feel about you as their superior?
Zach O.
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I believe that the most important conflict in the book is the conflict that Jeanine Mathews wants to keep the knowledge the Abnegation know about the city a secret. The Abnegation were entrusted with a secret when the city was founded. The secret was to be revealed during a certain time in their history. Jeanine did not think it was time and did everything in her to stop this information to be released. She put the most aggressive fraction under her mind control serum. She used her army of brain dead followers to kill off almost the entire Abnegation fraction to keep the knowledge about the city a secret. I do not believe killing of most of a fraction to keep a secret is worth it. It was horrible to se all of Tris’ old friends and their families killed because of knowledge.
An okay book. Don't get me wrong, I loved the characters, and it was a good story, with lots of inspiring morals and such. It encourages us to break away from society's norms, to break stereotypes and find our true selves, but it fell a little short for me. It wasn't particularly memorable, and was by all means incredibly predictable. It's a good read, but I have a long list of books I would point someone to before I pointed them to Divergent.
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The theme of Divergent is people are more than just one characteristic. We are all different with many traits that define us. We can be kind, caring, loving, and like Tris in Divergent, brave. “I think of climbing the stairs with the Abnegation, our feet finding the same rhythm, all of us the same. This isn't like that. We are not the same.” (Roth 223) This is when Tris is thinking about how the people in the city aren’t the same, that they are all different from one another. "I feel like someone breathed new air into my lungs. I am not Abnegation. I am not Dauntless. I am Divergent." (Roth 442) This is another quote when Tris is thinking to herself about she isn’t just one type of person. She has many traits that make her who she is; she doesn’t just belong to just one fraction. This book is important to me because the story tells me to be myself, to not conform to just one part of society. It shows to break from the normal and be who I am.